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Hunting On The Cove Is Legal – In Warwick

The question is, where does East Greenwich begin and Warwick begin?

 


The hunters were crouched in the reeds nearby the lower trail at Scalloptown Park and Wildlife Refuge. A brace of ducks were on the water just in front of them. What were they waiting for? Shoot the ducks!

Upon closer inspection, I realized the "ducks" were decoys. Of course! But is duck hunting allowed in East Greenwich? 

No. It's not. 

"The town does have a provision in the ordinances in regards to no discharging of any firearms east of South County Trail," said Lt. Paul Narhgang via email. But it's not quite that simple.

He continued: "The hunters that have been in the area have been on the Warwick side of the bay at the inlet that abuts Forge Road. The regulations that govern that are covered under the regulations set forth through DEM. I do know that the hunters are only allowed to shoot over the water and not towards residences or over private property that is along the shoreline." Whew!

"The hunters use the easement to get to the blind and there is an area that is along the waterline that is in Warwick that is confusing depending on where your point of view is.... So if they are in the upper portion of the park ... they are not allowed in that area but on the lower area there is an area which is Warwick," Narhgang concluded.

So, are the hunters pictured here are in Warwick? 

For an answer to that question and more information, here's a second story.

Related Topics: Duck Hunting, Ducks, Greenwich Cove, Guns, Hunters, Hunting, Scalloptown, Shooting, Warwick, and cove

Bridget

7:31 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I'm glad you wrote about this, Elizabeth.
I live in EG, on the cove by Scalloptown Park. I am shocked that hunting is "legal" here. I hear gunshots quite often, and have made my fair share of calls to both the EG Police and DEM. I have seen hunters in camouflaged skiffs, motoring around the bay, shooting at (assumedly) water fowl. I have been told that as long as the hunters are shooting across the water, 500 feet away from my dwelling, they are following the rules. Often, the gunshots are extremely loud, and clearly too close to my home and/or being shot from the Warwick side toward the EG side. When I suspect the hunters are too close, and I call DEM, I am always told that there isn’t much they can do. Sometimes, they send a DEM employee out by car or boat, but by the time they get to this area, the hunters have usually, most likely, gotten their daily fill of killing things and vacated the area.
I would like to think that most hunters are following the rules. But truthfully, there will always be that one guy who doesn’t… He will be shooting too close to our homes, or with a non-compliant firearm, or not completely “across open water”. Sadly, I suppose it will take an accident involving a “stray” bullet being lodged into someone’s torso, for the rules to change. I think the cove is too populated, with too many people enjoying it by shore or by kayak, for hunting to be allowed.

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housewife in EG

5:14 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Bridget, you couldn't of lived here, near the shore, for long without knowing hunting is legal in areas within the cove.. People have a right to kayak, and people have a right to hunt. Good thing you don't make the "rules."

Rebecca Ellis

7:42 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Hunting of ducks on the cove is a fall and winter thing . Being a kayaker and Hunter , not of ducks , I fing it HIGHLY UNLIKELY , that hunters would encounter someone in a kayak in freezing tempatures , and if someone walking the shorline is dumb enough to walk IN FRONT OF said hunter , then they should not be there . Just my opinion .

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Bridget

7:56 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Kayakers and scullers are in the cove WELL into the Fall, and people walk the shore all year long. They would not need to walk directly in front of a hunter. My point is that a bullet can easily be shot across the end of the cove to the other side. Hunters are also hunting FROM boats in the middle of the bay, and have been known to shoot toward the shore. The walkers would not see a hunter, in full camouflage, across the bay.

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Mark

11:26 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Rebecca – Not sure how the rules work where you hunt, but around here the responsibility of not shooting at people is the hunters, not the person walking by the shoreline. Most people do not know that some obscure law exists allowing people in camouflage to hide and shoot guns towards them.

Nicki

8:38 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Are hunters shooting towards Scalloptown Park? I walk there year round along with many other people. Hate to think that any of us are in danger of an errant bullet.

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Bridget

8:47 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

They are not supposed to. They are supposed to shoot 500 feet away from an occupied building, toward open water. I'm sure most hunters are following these rules. I'm also sure not all of them always do.

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BOB I

7:45 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

nicki shot guns do not fire bullets they fire "shoot gun shells" their is NO single projectile { as a bullet } they use pellets { B B 's } for duck hunting ,that is.

Robert

9:16 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Seems unnecessary to allow it in such a densely populated area with dwellings along crags etc. Should be stopped.

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muzzy

9:23 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

First off, maybe you need to learn how far 500 feet is. Second maybe you should read our State's Constitution. It clearly reads residents of our state will have access to the shore, from the waters edge to10 feet above the high water mark, to hunt, fish and gather seaweed. As long as the hunters, fishermen or hikers do not cross over private property. I just wish people would take time to know the law, before making such comments. The hunters have rights too. And mark my words, if those hunters were in violation of the law. The DEM Police would have been all over them .

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linda marie anthony

10:57 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

shouldn't be hunting anything anyway...hunting should halt to keep everyone from killing any animal, bird,waterfowl,etc...

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Mark

11:52 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Where in the state constitution does it talk about hunting from the water?
RI Constitution - http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/RiConstitution/ConstFull.html
Section 17. Fishery rights -- Shore privileges -- Preservation of natural resources. -- The people shall continue to enjoy and freely exercise all the rights of fishery, and the privileges of the shore, to which they have been heretofore entitled under the charter and usages of this state, including but not limited to fishing from the shore, the gathering of seaweed, leaving the shore to swim in the sea and passage along the shore….

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Elizabeth McNamara

9:26 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

On Facebook, John Chace left this comment, which is relevant, I think: "No one will suffer a bullet in the torso from a Duck gun. They only shoot small pellets made to bring down small ducks."

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Robert

9:28 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Muzzy, no offense but I do not care about some antiquated law and hunters rights in areas that are much more populated then when the laws were established. Hence the Town of East Grenwich does NOT allow such hunting in its limits. If a bullet cannot land in EG from where shots initated I quite frankly don't care.

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Joel Hovanesian

3:09 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

No Robert, you don't care about some antiquated law . I suspect you wouldn't care until it affected you and potentially took away an activity that you may enjoy.

I also suspect that many of those opposed to hunting would be willing to forfeit their second amendment rights guaranteed by our constitution. After all that was written when we were much less populated.

You folks who are complaining who live on the water do much more harm to the enviornment than these hunters ever could.

Yes what we need here in regulation nation is more regulations to take away our constitutional rights. If anything needs to be regulated, it's waterfront development. Just look at Staten Island and the Jersey Shore!

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housewife in EG

5:15 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Robert, such drama, and so wrong.

muzzy

9:35 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Very true, the maximum range of a shotgun is not even close to that of even the smallest rifle calibers. This is the reason that the state law requires 500 ft away from an occupied dwelling. What people are really complaining about here is clearly pointed out by the first person to comment, they don't like hunting or the people who hunt.

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Gary S. Carlson

9:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Duck hunters use shotguns which fire "bird shot" NOT bullets. Would someone like to weigh in on this and tell us the distance #2 shot will travel ??

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Bridget

9:42 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Not all hunters follow the rules. I know this firsthand because I've seen some hunters disobeying them (and yes, I called DEM, but they cannot do anything unless someone is breaking the law in front of them). I'm also sure those VERY loud bangs some mornings are not Duck guns, but a much more high-caliber weapon. Even still, I would STILL hate for my 5-year-old to get shot in the torso with small duck pellets. Perhaps he wouldn't die or be severely maimed, but I'm willing to bet that the guy Cheney shot wouldn’t say that it felt good. Hunters have rights, sure, but the laws need to be reassessed as time goes by.

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muzzy

9:44 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Great Robert, so because YOU don't like the law, please go ahead a violate it. Then when you get sued for violating someones constitutional rights, you have nobody to blame but yourself. There is also a law which protects hunters from being harassed by people like you who are ill informed. Further more, the town ends at the shore line, therefore it is not within the "town limits". It is now within the jurisdiction of the State, exactly why it is enforced by DEM police. Thanks for firming up the points made in my previous post.

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Gary S. Carlson

9:49 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Quick internet search: Maximum distance #2 shot (duck/goose load) travels is about 300 yards. At that distance it is basically falling to the ground with no velocity. IE: it wil not hurt you !!!.

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Bill Winter

7:21 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Let's see.... 1 yard is 3 feet. 300 yards multiplied by 3 feet equals 900 feet. 400 feet farther than the "500 feet from a building". I personally wouldn't want to be anywhere in that 400 foot zone with #2 shot or anything else coming at me discharged from a gun. Forward momentum is forward momentum. I'll put money down that it'll hurt. Ever been hit by a BB from a BB gun? It hurts.

muzzy

9:58 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Bridget,
The amount of sound you hear depends on several things. Time of day, wind direction, fog, wind speed and so on.
Any caliber over .22 center fire, is illegal in the state of Rhode Island (a very small round). A shotgun with a 3" shell is very loud, and if the wind is blowing towards your home, it could sound very close by. Yet if the wind was blowing away, it could be almost undetectable.
There is no way people are attempting to take waterfowl with rifles. What you are hearing is shotguns, that are 100% legal.

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Catherine Lebovitz

10:49 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I have heard shots while walking on the loop road in Goddard Park on several winter mornings. It is a little disconcerting, and you start to wonder if you should be wearing an orange vest!

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Mark

12:06 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Actually, you should wear some eye protective gear - it’s the ricochet from the bullets you should be concerned about.

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William P Macaux

12:19 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Thank you, Elizabeth, for addressing this topic. I had been told some time ago that the hunting was permitted in the Warwick area of the Cove as you indicated, but like so many others, I too am troubled by the gunfire in such a heavily populated area, and I question whether is should be legal. It may not be important to others, but this gunfire scares my dog and unnerves me when I am at Goddard (an almost daily experience). I am happy to sign a petition if someone is willing to initiate action!

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Elizabeth McNamara

7:15 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

AR,
Sorry, I deleted your comment by accident. You'd asked where hunting IS allowed in East Greenwich. You were correct – it's allowed west of Route 2, depending on permissions from property owners of private land.

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housewife in EG

5:06 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Muzzy sounds like the only one involved in this discussion that has a clue.

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housewife in EG

8:10 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Elizibeth, your "Whew" makes me believe you are anti hunting. Did you look into the fact that funds from hunting licenses and permits go towards protecting wildlife and wildlife areas.I wonder if a dollar from "Robert" or anyone like him ever went to this cause. I know of no hunting related accident in the cove. Perhaps you should get your "facts" about hunting in East Greenwich from a reliable source, the East Greenwich "line" stops at the high tide mark. Hunters have been in that corner of the cove long before the dog walkers. Bridget, you know some hunters who don't , "Follow the rules." I don't believe you know much of anthing about hunting or the "rules." I don't know of any hunter that would mistake a kayaker for a duck, but I personally wouldn't choose to paddle my kayak through someone elses duck decoys.

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Elizabeth McNamara

8:41 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Housewife of EG,
The "whew" was a mistake – my attempt at levity, which is not my role here. You are right to point it out.

Bridget

8:34 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Hi Housewife - I have seen first-hand, two men hunting ducks, in a camouflaged skiff, in the middle of the cove, pointing toward residences. I know they have discharged in an area that is clearly too close to the homes here. I also believe there have been times when someone has discharged weapons other than those allowed...(and I am aware that the wind and direction the gun is pointed play a part in how loud the shot would be.) If you would read my posts again, you may realize that I say MOST hunters probably DO follow the rules. I believe this. My point is, that not everyone abides by the law, and in my opinion, the cove is just too populated and too small of an area , making the potential for accidents to occur that much greater. Luckily, I don’t recall there being any accidents yet, which we are all I’m sure, thankful for. Also, I have never claimed to be an expert on hunting laws - I am simply expressing my opinion, as have you.

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Betty

8:43 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

I love to walk my dog at Goddard Park.
The shots from the guns are scaring the daylights out of him!!!!! Our usual walk is impossible now. He refuses to move once he gets on the road where he has heard the gunshots.
It's unnerving for me, let alone my dog.

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muzzy

4:12 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

BETTY, Well thank god the rights of your dog haven't been determined more relevant than the people of this state. PS. My dog loves nothing more than the sound of a shotgun going off. That means he has a duck to retrieve, and that's by far what makes him the happiest. You wouldn't want to take that away from him would you?

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muzzy

4:45 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

I would suggest that if you are going to express your opinion, you would take the time to educate youself on the topic. It is clear that most of the people who have chimed in on the topic are ignorant to the game laws, the city and town property lines and our states most important document. Their comments are base on fear and false statments that they have heard from the mainstream media.
(Housewife in EG, thank you for your kind comment)

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