'Dispatch' That Equipment Warwick! And More @EG_Problems Love
What we love and loathe about living in East Greenwich this month.
RANT: OK, am I the only one who is confused re the dead deal between our fire department and Warwick?
Here is what I am not getting:
Apparently, around $162,000 was spent on equipment for both towns but the only town opening up its wallet was East Greenwich. Despite this, only $15,000 of the $162,000 was used to update our fire department’s infrastructure.
Huh?
Why did Warwick get a $147,000 free ride? This wasn’t like taking a car out for a test drive before borrowing it. This was like taking the car home, using it and not even sending a thank-you note (since apparently, Warwick Mayor Scott Avedisian didn’t even bother to return Fire Chief Henrickson’s follow-up calls).
And another thing – when can we have the equipment back? To hopscotch to a new analogy, this isn’t a no-fault divorce wherein each of the fire departments split up their toys. There was never even a common-law marriage, let alone a sentimental-exchange-of-vows-chuck-the-rice-throw-a-shindig kind, and the equipment is not the equivalent of a family dog that now requires custody rights worked out. We paid for it and therefore it seems reasonable that it is ours. (And that old adage possession is nine-tenths of the law only works on school playgrounds.)
While we are on the subject of fire districts, here is another thing I am not clear on (it’s that sort of a day). I saw recently that Warwick fire fighters were practicing their skills on that house next to 1149 on Division. Um, while they are in the neighborhood and apparently now have updated equipment, can they move another 800 meters or so west on Division and practice on that house that is falling down and is therefore truly a fire hazard? What is the story with that place? I get a hard time for wanting to put storm windows on my historic-only-in-that-it-is-completely-not-insulated house and that jumble of shingles, which seems deserving of an original townie plaque, is allowed to fall to pieces.
Now, you might be thinking, what happens in Warwick stays in Warwick (like our fire equipment), but a nearby property's overgrown yard, peeling paint and clutter can easily knock 5 percent to 10 percent off the sale price of a home, according to the Appraisal Institute. A true disaster - like the Division place - can devalue property by as much as 20 percent. I imagine that even if the neighbors in that neck of the woods think our town can absorb the $147,000 because of an almost-deal gone sour, they might not be so pleased to have their home devalued by someone else’s (someone else who lives in Warwick) negligence. In case you are one of those neighbors and feel the need to take action, the state Building Code Standards Committee’s website is www.ribcc.ci.gov. May the force be with you!
RAVE: Like Patch’s editor, I am also loving @EG_Problems to the point where I have actually got my tweet toes wet. That’s right, I was a Twitter virgin up until now. Though I doubt I will ever have my own hashtag since my motto is why say in 140 characters what I can say in 3,000?
So last week, @EG_Problems mentioned pot holes. Which I frankly love. The way I see it, they are a cheap version of a speed bump. And they cost the town nothing. A win-win – except for EG’s Mercedes. (If you don’t count the spaces, that counts as an official tweet!)
BOB I
8:22 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
did by chance anyone from patch contact warwict warwick and get their side of the story?
Elizabeth McNamara
9:05 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
BOB I,
Good question. Mayor Avedisian and I played phone tag ... but that's a lousy excuse. I will try again. Thanks.
La Dolce Vita
10:30 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Thank God for good journalists!
Alan Clarke
10:39 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Lisa - If the house you mention 800 meters west is the old Briggs farmhouse, we have discussed this before. It is in this condition because the owners want it that way. It was rented, but if it's rented it must meet living standards. If it's vacant, no rules apply and the town can/will do nothing. It's the land valued by the owner, not the house. Speculation! And yet it is an historically significant house and if it were in the village, it wouldn't be allowed to happen. Still, I would hate to see it picked apart as they are doing to that little ranch house you mentioned by 1149 restaurant.
Renu Englehart
11:02 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I am sorry - but what house are you talking about on Division west of 1149? The old yellow house, 1727 Division Rd? Why would you encourage them to "practice on that house that is falling down and is therefore truly a fire hazard"? First of all that house is in EG not Warwick and second that house has been historically recognized. The owner, who runs an architectural and design firm, is letting it fall down by demolition by neglect. Apparently they want to access the property behind it which is in West Warwick. There's no reason to rid EG of this home. As far as property values, I think it's highly improbable that house is affecting them too much, I'm thinking the economy.
Alan Clarke
11:48 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Agreed! One thousand times.. agreed!
Alan Clarke
11:51 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
But let's also not sidetrack. What IS the deal with this evidently-not-happening dispatcher merger with the WK and EG fire departments? One has to have two brains to understand why simple things like this are almost impossible to pass. We are becoming very mediocre people. I fear for the future.
jim halsband
1:03 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Not sure how it happened, it may have been as far back as the McCarthy hearings, which is by now, long forgotten history, but leading sociologists are finding that our society has become a "snitch culture"! It is so much easier to Twit or Tweet about Paris Hilton's thong on this information superhighway, than an intense scathing look at how the Federal Reserve Bank has gained total domination over we, the sheeple, with the final coup de grace firmly in place, RFID chip implants in this new generation of children, oh, for their own safety, of course. And then there's some fire equipment we were talking about, what's up with that? Is it a truck, some axes, a pump? $147 grand doesn't buy much these days unless it is in the form of a campaign contribution. $200K will buy a machine that produces cheap home heating oil, reduces landfill, creates jobs from waste, oh, I think I may have mentioned that already!
jim halsband
12:43 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
The future is getting short shrift, like Yogi Berra said, "The future ain't what it used to be!" I've been introducing recycling technology that takes waste plastic and turns it back into home heating oil for as little as 25 cents a gallon and after 2 years my fellow RI'er are happy paying $3.79/gal, plowing their plastic into the landfill and apparently have no interest in the multitude of jobs this new system will create. Used to be cool to be on the leading edge of new growth technology but it seems to be a quaint notion these days, so much easier to point fingers at peeling paint on the neighbors house and blame them for vanished equity. The nation's equity went over the fiscal cliff and funneled over $32 trillion in cash into a few hundred private bankster Cayman Island accounts. 6,000 of the 99% protesters were arrested and beaten cuz they made some noise about it, well, it certainly shut them up! Now we can focus on the things at hand, neighbor's peeling paint!!
Elizabeth McNamara
12:59 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Renu and Alan,
I had been unclear about what house Lisa was talking about and, like you, thought she was referring to 1727 Division Road. We can all exhale. I went out today and found the house Lisa referred to. It's now pictured above and while it doesn't have a number, it's across the street from 1560 Division Road. She's right, it's a mess!
Renu Englehart
1:52 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
When we moved in years ago this house was inhabited and kept up. There were at least a couple of other small houses there. Then the houses were all sold and the 2 others except this one were torn down. This house is in West Warwick, not Warwick as is this part of Division west of Rt 2 to the daycare across from the golf course. Then the line goes behind the preschool and beyond. This area was rezoned by West Warwick sometime ago but I haven't seen anything since. I suppose someone could look this up in the West Warwick tax assessors:
http://www.nereval.com/PropertyList.aspx?town=West+Warwick&Owner=-1&loc=division+road&MapLot=-1
EG Lurker
10:20 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
1545 Division - interestingly enough, the co-owner is listed as Stephen Marra
Elizabeth McNamara
1:55 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Why, thanks Renu! Great info.
Alan Clarke
2:30 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I submit that house might be in East Greenwich. The line takes in quite a bit of area north of Division Road out there. This is across from Signal Ridge where Division veers south but the line continues straight and includes Crompton Road, which is north of Division. Right: Crompton Road, not Crompton Avenue. My, we are wandering, aren't we!?
Alan Clarke
2:39 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
This is what I wrote two years ago on that place. Download it from DropBox with this URL:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22464453/EGT%26N%20156-3.pdf
Renu Englehart
3:04 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Hi Alan - It's not the Briggs house she is writing about - thankfully. It's the blue house prior to that across from the NEIT site (the old Shackleton property) on Division - you might know who lived there prior. I recall an older gentleman but I never met him. He moved out 10 or 11 years ago.
OTH the property lines do move around and make no sense to me. The corner (Division/Rt. 2) is made up of the 3 towns, Warwick, West Warwick and EG. After living here for so long the economical thing to do (to bring it back to the fire department) would be to merge into a regional fire/police department. It's pretty interesting watching who shows up to an accident at that corner. Mostly it's EG for all 3 towns, but occasionally you'll see the Warwick cops, fire department on the EG side and rarely do you see any WW services show up for that corner unless it's call from Amtrol or the office building. If/when NEIT develops the property that runs behind Division on the West Warwick side, the WW services will have a long run to get here for an emergency. It seems to me if they merged, emergency vehicles that are closest would be more cost effective then a town split.
T
6:09 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Hey Lisa, as a reporter would you agree that you have an obligation to at least investigate a story before writing it? The house is in Warwick, and the fire department has been training in it. Second, East Greenwich has been charging Warwick $360,000 for responding to the Potowamut area of Warwick. Henrickson wanted Warwick to dispatch for him and he would reduce the bill by $100,000 freeing up one of his dispatchers so they he could put his second rescue on full-time without cross-manning it. Warwick intends to build a fire station in Potowamut and do their own calls and save themselves $360,000. Henrickson knew this months ago and yet this still comes up, he lies. He knew at least as far back as July, if not sooner, by the way this is the second time the voters of my city have approved a fire station there. So you ask why hasn't the Mayor returned calls? Why does he have to? This may have been a good deal for Henrickson, but Warwick was getting a raw deal here. If he truly does have equipment in Warwick, go get it, do you think they're holding it hostage? Further, and yet another reason, Warwick has upgraded their radio system through federal grant monies, which he also knew. Now the question becomes, why has he been lying about this for so long?
Alan Clarke
8:04 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
First: In defense of Lisa, she's a columnist, not a reporter. There's a difference. A reporter is supposed to report facts, a columnist asks questions and offers alternatives and suggestions. Second: In this thread we have a post somewhere from the Editor of this Patch, who IS a reporter, saying the Mayor hasn't returned her calls. You ask why should he have to? Because he's the mayor! Fielding reporters' questions is part of the job. Third: As a certifiable Potowomian myself, I have seen a vote and voted myself (what? 30 years ago?) to have a station built in Potowomut. It was never built. Do you believe it will finally be built? Let me just say I wouldn't toss my fire extinguishers just yet.
I think the point of Lisa's column in the first place was to say we citizens of both municipalities don't know what is going on and it would be nice to have it clarified. I think that is far superior to accusing people of lying. While I never forget that this IS Rhode Island and lying is a birthright for elected officials, I don't think lying is the issue here... I think everyone is telling the truth—their truth. But whatever it is, there's not enough out there for the average citizen to understand the issue(s). The question is, does the average citizen need to know the issues and Lisa asked that question. Obviously someone wants some answers.
Elizabeth McNamara
8:10 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
T,
Alan is correct – Lisa is a columnist. The fact she's asking these questions makes me realize I have more work to do on this story.
Alan,
The mayor HAS returned my calls but left me messages. The ball is in my court now. More to come!
Mark Thompson
9:33 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Let 'em have it, Alan!
T
10:19 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
So the mayor has returned calls? Already the story is changing. I agree Ms. McNamara you do have some work to do, but be careful you may not like what you see. In the end I think you'll find this is a self-generated story on the part of Henrickson. Again, Alan, I understand you may not have all the facts, but, no I don't believe the Mayor should return a phone call that doesn't require an answer that everyone knows. Columnist: a journalist who writes a regular feature in a newspaper: a gossip columnist (dictionary.com) Moreover, I am not trying to be hostile a rude to anyone here,however, just remember one thing people, seek the truth not the answer.
Alan Clarke
11:06 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
T: you have me at a disadvantage. I use my true identity and you use an initial. Fine. Most people understand that sometimes the nuances of a definition prohibit a dictionary from giving a full and proper explanation. The definition of the word columnist is one of those things that cannot be explained by one sentence. Well, perhaps a better sentence than the one you provided. Gossip columnist indeed. And if everyone knows the answer, why are we discussing it? I also question your last statement. Perhaps say it this way: People seek the truth because truth IS the answer. Oh well, enough already!
jim halsband
4:23 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
By allowing anonymous comments, which I continue to rail against, this practice promotes acrimony and promotes rudeness and over-the-top comments which if those people were held accountable would most likely never have the temerity to post such bs, and you can be absolutely certain that these people would never have the courage to say those things to our face! Anonymity only works with charity, the highest form of charity is in anonymous donations. Nothing charitable in any of the plethora of comments by those without the backbone to sign off, who sit at their keyboard and hide behind an initial or moniker and gun down those who have a qualified opinion. Just another sign of a society in decline where this new 'snitch culture' is taking over with their 'gotcha' snapshots and finger pointing. Joe Valachi is their patron saint!
Mark Sission
12:09 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Here is a question that no one seems to answer. Why did the Fire District spend close to $200,000 of taxpayer's money on dispatch with Warwick without having legal counsel draw up a contract or agreement??? I wonder why!!! Here are the facts!!!
The East Greenwich Fire District (Chief Henrickson) approached the City of Warwick with this several years ago and spent taxpayer's money trying to get this to work. The City of Warwick looked into it to see if this could work but no promises was ever made to the Chief. Yet Chief Henrickson and the Fire District continued to spend money and sell it to the taxpayers that this was going to happen, and they continued to spend that kind of money without having anything in writing. Warwick is not to blame here due to the fact that they are unable to do it. The Fire Chief and the District should get their equipment back and be held accountable for spending that kind of money without any guarantees. This is why I feel the town should be in control of the fire department and not the fire chief or the board of commissioners.
Mark Sission
12:15 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Elizabeth, maybe you can get an answer as to why the fire chief did not get anything in writing from the City of Warwick or the Mayor. It would be very interesting to hear what he has to say.
Alan Clarke
4:45 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Yas, yas, and I want to know why Lisa Sussman is measuring stuff in meters, as in "can they move another 800 meters or so west on Division"? I wanted to switch over to metric (what?) in the 60s when there was a big push to do it. But no! So since I was a printer, I used picas and points instead. Phooey! But Lisa, we are metric-challenged and it's no wonder I got the wrong house. I thought it was 800 gas meters and that would put in out in western Connecticut.
Arsenal
4:05 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
the US of A should have been using meters for a while but instead everyone insists on feet and inches which make zero sense
Lisa Sussman
2:15 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Whew - that's the last time I go away for a computer-free weekend! I don't think I have much to input here since Alan has so ably said what I would have had I been online (thank you!). However, since being succinct has never been my forte, a few comments:
1) Alan is correct - I am not a reporter. And as a columnist, I see my role as being the "huh?" person who hopefully asks the question or makes the point that the person on the street is asking or thinking. Yes, I may sometimes sound uninformed or - as I am sure some of you would put it - stupid, but I am ok with that if what I am asking is generating discussion and, hopefully, answers. Which certainly seems to be the case here.
2) I was being provocative when I suggested a demo of the decrepit house. I hoped to get some attention paid to the fact that there is a perfectly good - and historical - house going to waste. I have to admit that I am a bit hazy on where the town border is in those parts but that doesn't lessen my irritation and frustration over what seems to be an official acceptance re the state of the house. It kills me when I see land razed for new housing while we have homes which have withstood most of the vicissitudes of time standing empty and going to waste - but that is a rant for another day.
3) Why meters? Because they make sense - so there!
jim halsband
2:35 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Good goin' Lisa! Yards...meters, no worries, even old Townies know enough that they're about the same, why we didn't join the rest of the world decades ago is yet another testament to American arrogance over practicality. GM started to make a slow transition and that's why 15% of the nuts and bolts on my '86 Chevy are metric, try and figure the infinite wisdom behind that! Now that the cat is out of the bag and Lisa is free to question and rant at will over obvious illogical issues that we face as a community daily, such as why are we still plowing tonnage of plastic waste into the landfill when it can easily and cheaply be turned into home heating oil for costs in the range of 3 gallons for a dollar! No typo there, talk about illogic! The only road block to this new technology being utilized is bureaucracy, same-sex marriage is more important than jobs, environment, economy and heating oil at 3 gallons for a buck! Join my rant, I want my trash back in cash!